Recent comments by: chops
The election result is the Australian peoples way of disqualifying the perceived social licence's of the lunatic fringe of animal activists and animal rights lobbyists.
These people were so certain of themselves (remember the statistics, 80% of the Australian public wasn't it ?)
Well sorry, you were completely and categorically wrong. But here's some statistics for you.
98% of Australians won't abide cruelty to animals and know that for farmers particularly it doesn't make sense.
1% are cruel and will be addressed by the law.
1% are nut case 'activists' now looking for a new cause.
Dear Faux outrage 'activist', have you ever raised your voice in anger or frustration at your wife or boyfriend or child. Come on , you know you have. If I walked into your house at that minute and filmed this does this make you a serial abuser? In fact, does this make everybody in your cosy suburb an abuser ? Should the government intervene and remove all partners and children from your suburb to a safe house.
Get a grip you tossers, start minding your own business, try finding something real to be outraged about. farming in general is alive and well but no place for sissies. Go away.
Agribuzz with David Leyonhjelm
This is far less than we should expect from even an accidental politician, this is merely a backhanded swipe. Why don't you use your limited time on stage to put forward a couple of issues that you are passionate about, outline why, then work hard to implement some real change.
Get off your little soap box and get to work.
David, Europe has paid trillions in agricultural subsidies since the second world war, the reason they have done that is because they lived through a time when people were starving and many perished because their countries had no ability to produce food to feed their population. As a result it was enshrined into their constitutions that the productive capability would be maintained even if it meant paying farmers not to produce anything, which is what they do.
Now no farmer in Australia is calling for that, just the sensibility to support in times where rain and or government policy fail.
David, get your accountant to do some math for you.
Come back and talk to us when you have worked out the total value of new capital required for the amalgamation task that you propose. In other words, how much money will it cost for someone to buy all those farms from all those mas and pas.
Then work out what policies need to be in place to encourage that to happen.
That's right, the sensible ag policies that would encourage the investor to risk such huge sums, are the same policies that would return all the ma and pa farms to profit and thus provide scope for productivity improvement.
I think we should wake up to the divide and conquer mentality of the extremists.
Vegetarians and vegans are legitimate and valued clients, the food they eat does not grow on a petrie dish, it is also grown by farmers. It is not us vs them. Most vegans and vegetarians are just ordinary Aussies who have quietly (or not) made a choice about what they eat.
We are being played. Listen to us ranting about 'vegans' as if they are evil. We need to give ourselves an uppercut and wake up to the tactics of the zealots.
Every now and then someone like Sam comes along who wants to save us from ourselves, make people see us as we see us, make us the popular kid at school. This is merely a reflection on the Facebook generation. Sam wants his public to 'like' what he does. The accountant doesn't care if you like her, just pay your bill, she provides a service (or 'product'), the insurance salesman, same, the lawyer, same.
There is something childish about this need to be 'liked', we are just like undertakers or bankers, some of us need to grow up and get on with it, stop dreaming about being special or valued
A matter of opinion
In other words, I agree that our government needs to understand that a private investor will never get the volume to generate a return because no matter how much more productive and innovative a country is as a result of wide access to decent internet and mobile services, a private investor still only gets return from the direct volume of use so won't play.
Australia, overall however, is a massive beneficiary of the productivity and innovation provided by a small population with good access.
There is a great case here for public infrastructure.
Some of the worlds poorest countries do have superior internet and mobile phone coverage to a lot of Australian farms. Countries like Nigeria, Ghana,Tanzania, Kenya leave us in the shade for access and quality of service. The thing is that their infrastructure is all privately owned by hedge fund and private equity investors. The reason is volume. Nigeria for example has a population of some 167million people and they almost to a person have a mobile phone. A private investor gets return renting the infrastructure, in Australia the return must come from the broader benefit the access brings.
The big funds don't have the patience or the risk appetite to be invested directly in farming.
No big deal to aggregate three or four 30 million dollar operations with a sensible mix of geography and commodity.Plenty of good ag management groups that can do that for them. They simply cannot handle good averaged returns over say a ten year time frame. These people are geared for annual certainty and, sorry, but regardless of the size of the operation you cannot provide certainty year on year. The vagaries of weather, market and knee jerk policy will trump the best of forecasts.
Our government should consider limiting annual mining approvals for off take quantities such that they remain a constant percentage of GDP. This would have the effect of ensuring policy that drives Gross Domestic Product from manufacturing, agriculture, tourism, services,retail etc is sound and a lazy reliance on coal and other minerals shovelled into boats is not an option.
It would also ensure that mining projects were selected carefully not a mad 'develop all you can' approach which contributes to our boom and bust cycle.
In a generational sense we don't have the right to take all we can.
Barbara, in 50 years time my then 59 year old son will be planting oats in March, selling calves in April, shearing ewes in October and going to the beach for a few days at Christmas.
This is doomsday nonsense, I bet this dude has a bunker somewhere full of baked beans and gas masks and survival manuals, (maybe you too, Barb?)
I feel genuinely sorry for people who live such fearful lives, somehow really believing the sky is falling and how if only they could get everyone to see it is. Relax Julian, go for a walk, kick the footy with your grandkids, everything will be ok.
The cult of the 'Celebrity Chef' has a lot to answer for.
In most wealthy Western societies there has developed an anticipation of fancy and fresh food.
It is not so long ago that the preservation of produce was the specialty of the regions where it's seasonal availability was prolific.
Preserved fruits, jams, dried meats, pickled vegetables, (pickled eggs even) and a whole host of other life extending methods were the norm.
While ever food is marketed and embraced as a fresh food experience rather than sensible use of a perishable commodity we will continue to waste 40% and some.
Action, you'll be right mate, pull your belt in another notch and get on with it.
The beef trade with Russia had stalled in April anyway due to their concerns over HGPs, well before any of this.
STL, I don't buy your conspiracy theory. Putin had already secured the Black Sea port at Sevastapol, The push into Ukraine is about rebuilding a Soviet style bloc. you are witnessing the modern day version of the tanks rolling into Prague in 1968,Budapest in 1956, Finland in 1939 and so on. Not enough room here for your history lesson.
We are dying a death of a thousand cuts here, but I've still gotta say that I support the government being on the front foot with this. History shows appeasement is not an option with mad dictators, both Bishop and Abbott have handled this showing some moral fibre.
This is not a knee jerk stupid reaction such as the live ban of the previous government. This government has done what needed to be done and there are consequences which hurt. well, ok.
This is the equivalent of a protection racket, only instead of being run by people with names like Tony or Sol who speak in a gravelly whisper about ' doin' things in the old family way', we get slick metro sexual accountant and MBA types who are never the less stand over merchants and thugs using their duopoly power to enrich themselves.
We need a new model, this one is broken. The government must re consider the policies that have allowed this duopoly to flourish and start to break it down .Competition must be created for supply as well as demand.
The following is a quote from John Ralph that was reported in "The Australian" 24/4/14
"But here is the rub. If Britain decided to start charging excise on diesel used in production, it would report it as increase in taxation. If Australia were to do the same, it would show it as a reduction in “taxed expenditure” and Treasury would show it as a “saving in expenditure”, not the increase in taxation that it would represent. You may ask which method is more transparent and less liable to spin."
Any politician considering such a retrograde step should read the full article by John Ralph.
As a result of the high input costs, debt and low prices, many farms are carrying tax losses that they will never access. Allowing those tax losses under EC conditions to be realized and used to write off existing debt would open a path to recovery for many farm business's effectively using today as a lump sum their future right to a tax offset, the only subsidy is the timing difference to the entitlement.
Williams has very properly articulated the current dilemma and puts forward a strong case for assistance.
Spotted quoll killed all our daytime free range, 7 to 5,000 acre but locked up at night chickens,(I forgot to shut em in) I must get some more, but in the meantime I always try to buy eggs layed by black chickens older than 18 months that have not been mulsed or formally lived in China.
My supplier says he complies absolutely. Such honesty is rare as chicken lips.
Ever wondered why sheep and cattle always feed into the wind?
Grasses being grazed put up a chemical response making the grass slightly more rank, the grass also are puts up a pheromone response to being grazed, which blows down wind alerting other grass which also responds chemically as a result of the warning. The mob moves off into the wind.
Studies in Africa have noted the exact same phenomenon with Giraffes grazing Acacia trees.
It's not 'our' land, it's John Nicoletti's land and he should be able to sell it to whoever he wants to.
The issue is why, why are Australian farmers selling their land. When even well managed farm business' with geographic and commodity diverse operations cannot produce a return for their investor (owner) it's time for him to invest elsewhere.
One of the roles of governments is the facilitation of production and trade mostly through policy settings that encourage and reward investment and hard work.
Best of luck to the Chinese or any other buggar willing to have a go.
Daw, we are looking at fixing the wrong problems.
Geothermal generation is another great technology as is tidal hydro. Around the Bonaparte Gulf there are 30 metre tides, a dam built at the tidal mid point would self fill every day, a turbine below this point fed by gravity would work perpetually for free.
The problem with both these systems is transmission loss. They are too far from the population density and line losses over that distance make it unviable. Maybe losses can be fixed?
I am all for a new solution, just one that is sensible and commercially viable. Until then, it's coal.
Cute idea Nico, but, how about you develop the new industries first then we shut down the old ones. let us know when you are good to go.
oh, and if you want to use my taxes to subsidise something, subsidise food production, not hair brained schemes to build what is almost stone age alternatives (windmills) with subsidies that make their international owners rich, you feel good and the rest of us pay for a technology that is not viable.
The stone age didn't come to an end because they ran out of stones
Remove the subsidies then let them build as many as they want.
During extended drought costs far exceed revenues resulting in tax losses that will probably never be accessed, certainly not for a long time. Let affected farm and other business sell their tax losses to their banks and apply the resultant freed cash flow to debt reduction.
This would not be a handout or a subsidy, it simply brings dead money into life, gives immediate relief by interest cost reduction.
Bruce, I'll probably get through a couple of pages once shearing starts. New England is my electorate also, I deal with a lot of different people here and I would struggle to name two people, including yourself, who would give him the time of day.
You are only as good as your last game mate and he played a shocker.
Neither him or Oakshott had the guts to face the people following their treachery thus robbing the electorate the chance to give them one upside the head.
Anyway, it all works out in the end doesn't it, the right bloke is in the chair now and the imposter is flogging books.
A pack of 8 toilet rolls each with 180 sheets costs about $10.00. At $32.99 Tony's book would need to be over 3,000 pages long if it were to be of equivalent value, hung on a nail in the dunny in the shearing shed where it would belong. (hope there are no photos, those shiny pages errrh !)
Anybody believe that Clive is really sitting down to a meal of humble pie with a big side serve of crow ?
Nah, didn't think so.
Let him come, and be and seriously inconvenienced by protesting Australians at every turn, in a well planned and well organised show of 'up yours mate'. Let him feel 'f... you' from people unafraid of jail for their opinion, and unbowed by government bully tactics, such as experienced by the long suffering Russian people.
All it takes for evil to prevail is for good people to stand by and do nothing.
Let the world media carry that message back to Russia.
In the 1940's and 1950's people living in suburban Australia still had gardens, chickens and sometimes even ran a couple of hoggets to kill. During this time the average Australian spent some 40% of their income on food.
With the average food spend dropping to 15% of income since that time the notion of convenience has trumped the effort involved in any degree of self sufficiency. As food cost for the average punter slowly moves back toward 40% of income, self sufficiency will once again get real wings, obesity levels will fall and farmers will be being paid for their investment and effort
86% eh, cool, why then do we have a Coalition Government who have openly supported the live export trade prior to the last election, when the twits in the then Labor Government, who openly sabotaged the live trade were tossed out on their respective ears.
Stoptac, you are either careless with the truth, hopeless at statistical analysis or maybe it is just an honest typo ? are you sure it was not 0.86%?
Pick another cause mate, 'the science is in' on this one !
Jack, you don't get it. Why don't you see how you go getting BHP to allow cameras into their workplace, what about NAB, cameras on staff there, not for management (which the unions would howl about long and loud) no, for zealots to try to find what they consider to be bad practices, what about surgeons at the operating table, maybe you are concerned about someone interfering with a patient while they are under anaesthetic ? not filmed for the hospital management, filmed for you to misinterpret because you have no idea what is going on, then you can youtube bits of it and cry wolf ! Go away.
Dear Mr Wilkie, Do the good citizens of Denison really lean on you to pursue this issue as their elected representative despite all the facts, research and reality showing that live export is a legitimate trade that actually works to improve animal welfare, adds hundreds of millions to Australia's economy, employs thousands of people and is supported by both government and opposition.
I don't think so.
This puts you in the Clive Palmer school of representation, you know, the one where you get elected and then pursue issues that are about yourself, not about your electorate. Grow up.
Hey Bridget 64, in case you were not watching, the community already has responded. It is called an election, and the 'community' said loudly and clearly to noisy minorities, quango commitees and all the zealots with their snouts in the trough, get out of our face, go back to the fringes where you came from and cease forthwith your illegal and immoral harassment of hardworking people going about their lives. The game is up '64, the community you speak of has spoken, they have seen through your attempt to paint all farmers as evil because of the actions of a tiny minority in another country.
RWYS, My solution is made very clear in my post. You seem to be suggesting that if people don't follow existing laws then we must introduce some more and hope they will follow those ones.
Which of the 12 deaths were head injuries that would have been prevented with the use of a helmet ?
This is my point mate, if we have 12 deaths, 9 from crushing injury, 3 from head injury why would a government rush out and make 30,000 farmers wear bloody helmets and in the process kill 16 of them from heat stroke as they try and comply with a stupid ill concieved law, travelling at 6 km/h in 40 degree heat
Now there is an idea, Nanny Anna will will fix it with some more absurd regulation.
Laws already require a duty of care.
To execute this requires an assement of risk by a competant person and appropriate steps to remove or mitigate the identified risks.
Enforce the rules we already have.
A blanket rule on helmets may cause deaths from heat stroke to outpace quad bike deaths attributable to head injury. Helmets may work at 80km/h because of the likelyhood of head injury in an accident and acceptable comfort. They are a poor intervention when poking along behind the sheep at 6km/h.
Seems to me the Quad bike manufacturers could do a whole lot more here to make them safer. Slightly wider wheel track and lower centre of gravity,(both possible without sacrificing ground clearance) even a tilting rider console to shift gravity centre on slopes and CPD needs development.
If you have rolled your quad over you have already put it outside it's limits, CPD wont prevent you from being hurt but may save your life. Should be your choice really.
As is the choice to slow down, ride within your limits and the quads design limits, keep the kids off them, don't take passengers.